5176.18 - An oral history with Harry Goulding, 1975 July 29
Scope and Contents
The contents of the Samuel Moon Monument Valley Oral History Collection consist of oral histories, transcripts, and records documenting the history of Monument Valley and Four Corners area. The oral histories are from those who lived in this area between the 1900s-1970s and pertain to Goulding’s trading post (one of the most well-known trading posts of the 20th century)and its owner/operator Harry Goulding, the Navajo tribe, sheep ranching, local tourism, uranium mining, and the western movies made in the valley.
Dates
- 1975 July 29
Extent
3 Cassettes
1 Files (Verbatim (75 pages) and edited (49 pages) transcripts)
6 digital objects (Abstract and digitized copy of cassette recordings)
Language of Materials
English
Abstract
In the interview, Harry talks about some of the Navajo elders he knew when he first came to the valley, speaking about White Horse and his territory on Douglas Mesa; and Grey Whiskers, a medicine man who used to watch the tents/trading post when Harry and Mike went away. He tells a story about the time shortly after he and Mike came to the valley and a group of Navajo men including Adakai Yahzi, Old Man Tom Holiday, White Horse, Grey Whiskers, and Hugh Black came to talk to them and inquire how long they planned to stay. He describes that meeting as part of the Navajo way of feeling people out and how he learned to fit in with the Navajo.
Harry also addresses the claims by Jeanette Black (OH5145) and Fred Yazzie (OH5173) that the land Harry built the trading post on originally belonged to their father Adakai Yahzi; talks about the system of government allotments and reservation land that led to Harry acquiring his land; addresses Luke Yazzie’s (OH5174) claim that Harry cheated him out of the recognition and compensation he was promised for the discovery of a uranium mine; and describes ways in which people could claim mines in the area during the uranium boom.
Harry speaks about Joe Bishop, an old Paiute medicine man; talks about his cousin Art Greene and his store, trading post and work as a horse trader; and recalls Barry Goldwater bringing toys and other gifts for Christmas and playing Santa Claus.
He also discusses Horace Albright coming to the valley as part of the National Park Service’s efforts to make Monument Valley a National Park. He says that the Navajo were unwilling to let go of the land, so Harry told the Navajo tribal council they needed to do something to protect the land, especially the cliff dwellings and ruins, resulting in the area being turned into a Tribal Park protected by the Navajo.
He tells a series of stories including ones about Hosteen Tso and his wagon; how Harry got the bell that hangs by the dining hall; stories about Jose Lucero (Old Joe), from when Harry was a boy; Katso on a trip they took to Durango; a little Navajo girl who disobeyed her mother during a sand painting ceremony; and about a young Navajo man who took spear points from a ceremonial site and sold them to Harry; and finally a story about two Navajo sisters whose mother died in childbirth, Harry helped them to bring the baby home from the hospital in Tuba City so they could raise him. Harry kept an eye on them and tried to help take care of them.
The longest story Harry tells in this section of the interview is about the “Lost Silver Mine” in Monument Valley. Harry talks first about an old Navajo man that lived at Chinle Wash who claimed to know the location of an abandoned silver mine in Monument Valley and described their plan for the Navajo man to retrieve the silver so Harry could sell it.
Harry then relates stories told to him by Jim Jarvis, a Colorado stockman Harry knew when he was a child. Jarvis told Harry the story of Merrick and Mitchell, prospectors who found that mine originally and were killed by Paiutes. Harry says many people have looked for the silver and haven’t found it, but he could always tell when visitors were coming through searching for it.
Repository Details
Part of the Lawrence De Graaf Center for Oral and Public History Repository